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Post by crimsonsun on Jun 1, 2015 14:43:25 GMT
I struggle to get results with Khemri at top tiers of perpetual leagues against top tier calibre coaches, this is a issue I've faced in multiple leagues and something I've plainly not found a solution to. Let me be clear as to my experience with Khemri however as not to leave room for confusion, I've played more than 1000 games with them on cyanide and have been playing them in table top leagues since there first overpowered incarnation, having been playing table top for 21ish years now. I've also written multiple play books on Khemri tactics as well as development in progressive league environments that have been of huge help to coaches of varying experience and skill that I've passed them too and I have beaten or achieved results against some of the most highly respected coaches in online competitions using Khemri but its doing so consistently at the highest level of play that has eluded me for several years now.
If it helps I can also be specific as to where I struggle the most and that's in correct time management during a defensive drive at this level of play because in lower tiers I can normally stop an opposing team from scoring or if playing against Elves force them to score early but against top tier coaches/teams I struggle to find the correct line between a solid defence and conceding at the end of a drive and letting my opponent though so I've got time to mount a serious threat in terms of a counter, its rarely the case where my opponent is able to score easily or stall out unless I've been nuffled but I find at top level play more often than not I will let a touch down in on around turn 7 or 8 (normally with my opponent having been forced to roll dice to make it happen but it happens none the less)where as in lower tiers of league play I will hold a successful defence. Now obviously there are other factors that cost me games but this is the biggest issue I have in terms of consistent results against top tier coaches in league play.
As a coach my strengths lie without a doubt in pitch control and advanced blocking techniques where I feel I'm able to compete with the very best coaches out there though I'm sure other coaches may be able to provide additional insight into my coaching strengths and weaknesses that I do not see myself. I am fully versed and able to set up 1turn touch downs with Ma6 , I can break a column defence with a few control skills in my sleep and its a rare occasion where without nuffles interference I'm out foxed in a battle of sideline control. I play highly defensively and as a result tend to create 33-50% more blocks than I receive (over my 1000 Khemri matches online) in matches with my average dice per block being well above 2.
Anyway can you assist, I have reasonable TV Khemri sides that are retired to use for practise games if need be.
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Post by crimsonsun on Jun 1, 2015 14:47:53 GMT
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Post by jounisii on Jun 1, 2015 17:53:16 GMT
Funny you asking for advice on khemri, Crim And I have advice for you, play elves
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Post by crimsonsun on Jun 1, 2015 18:20:06 GMT
Funny you asking for advice on khemri, Crim And I have advice for you, play elves Thing is I'm not successful at top tier play so I must be doing something wrong I've asked all over the internet over the past 36months and I've not had anything resembling a solution provided.
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Post by jounisii on Jun 1, 2015 18:51:23 GMT
I'm absolutely crap with khemri. TGs dying all the time was my problem. Positioning mistakes and a bit unluck.
I've seen a few matches of yours but I can take a look in the future. The little I know you, you are a very analytical coach. I'm more of a risk taker with all my teams.
Looking at your team the important TG core isn't a force a nature yet. That's probably the key. While that can't be solved in an istant, other means are needed. Do you mean by highly defensive coach that you try more like build good blocks for next turn and not going for the ball that aggressively? Hoping for enough removals to get things going your way? What I might try in your situation is to control the tempo a bit more by making earlier play for aggressive ball popping. Since you are able to make those plays to make the score more difficult, why not start a bit earlier?
Dunno - I suck with khemris as said.
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Post by crimsonsun on Jun 1, 2015 21:23:11 GMT
Tomb Guardians only need guard to be able to full fill there role and in UKBBL I had four Superstars for a while so its not that. By highly defensive I mean I literally don't give my opponent more and a couple of blocks (including a blitz) unless a turn over causes me to end my turn out of place. Khemri are weird in that often times if you manage to pop the ball your better off preventing your opponent from being able to get it than actually trying to score and any time there's a high risk play for the win option the odds are nearly always higher for your opponent pulling off the win should you take that route which is something that's critical to be aware of.
Actually despite my reputation as a brutal player I don't actually count on causing casualties when considering tactics because I don't feel it can be relied upon so my tactics require me to be able to win even if the whole match is played 11 v 11 using positioning and careful placement.
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Post by Kaiser on Jun 2, 2015 11:48:34 GMT
i find TG better to have break tackle than guard, even a grab or 2 is better for me but i probably use my TG a lot different than you do I try to control with them but also the BT lets me pounce or reset to better defend, grab can open up gaps they didnt think they had I would love to give you a game in the open at any rate M may have a different way to look at things
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Post by crimsonsun on Jun 2, 2015 12:48:19 GMT
i find TG better to have break tackle than guard, even a grab or 2 is better for me but i probably use my TG a lot different than you do I try to control with them but also the BT lets me pounce or reset to better defend, grab can open up gaps they didnt think they had I would love to give you a game in the open at any rate M may have a different way to look at things Totally: Though personally I consider Break Tackle a crutch for poor positioning on Tomb Guardians and while I respect it on a cage breaking Strength 6 Block Guardian I won't take it until a 5th non double skill otherwise. That's not to say my ways to right way its just my point of view on the matter Would love to play you hit me up on steam username crimsonsun and we can arrange something no doubt, I love the tactical chess match of pitch control!
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Post by michaels on Jun 2, 2015 20:39:37 GMT
Lemme get home & I'll give this a more in-depth response. In the meantime, are there any bbm matches I should check out?
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Post by crimsonsun on Jun 2, 2015 22:17:57 GMT
Hundreds... I play in the OCC Chemical Addiction, most last season was tier 2d you can look at pretty much any match from the nine..
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Post by michaels on Jun 3, 2015 3:36:32 GMT
Can't find anything in BBM.
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Post by crimsonsun on Jun 4, 2015 12:24:42 GMT
will post some files for you.
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Post by michaels on Jun 6, 2015 16:43:59 GMT
I reviewed a few games. There's a few changes I'd make to team structure to start. 1) Seriously consider Break Tackle as a second skill after MB on two tg's. I wouldn't consider it a crutch & it can open up some opportunities to hit guys the opponent might think are safe. Khemri movement sucks & BT can really change that. 2) Stock up on skeles & run a 14-15 man roster at all times. Then foul the shit out of opponents. This can remove a scoring threat & force a score if your opponent starts losing players like mad while he's stalling. Pick 3 skeles to get DP as a first skill. 3) Buy a 4th rr. I run 4 rr's + leader at 2k tv. On defense I rarely need all them but on offense having 4+ is invaluable. Khemri will always fail...everything. That's my mindset going into a match with them. 4) Get Kick on a skele. It's amazing for khemri. More-so than other teams as they're so slow. As far as playstyle, I noticed you use a normal stacked defense vs fast teams which seems out of the norm. This would look like 000X00X00X00X000 X = any position 000X00X00X00X000 This works great against slow teams & is easier to maintain with ag4 but against fast teams you could loosen it up a bit. Something like 00x00x00x00x00 0x00x00x00x000 Or even leave the middle open & rely on your LoS & cover the sides to prevent a receiver from slipping through. Same with the cage tactics. You might want to try adopting a looser cage or a screen tactic. The games I watched you're quite rigid on advancing an X-style cage upfield but it's not always needed & can tie up players guarding corners that could be used elsewhere. Again, this is situational. When advancing a cage, you could spread it out a bit more as well. 0T00T0 T = TG 000000 B = Ball Carrier 000B00 X = Any positional 0X00X0 I'll try to do this depending on my opponents defense. It's a space between the ball & the front of the cage. It makes it harder to go around & advance the tg's a bit further. Normally I wouldn't suggest marking players with the corners of my cage but with the str5 bastards you can usually get away with it. In summation: buy more players, get another rr, try out break tackle, foul...FOUL FOUL FOUL!!!
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Post by crimsonsun on Jun 8, 2015 11:45:06 GMT
Thanks for taking the time to look at my games and respond I'll defiantly give some of your suggestions a try and agree with you regarding my cage advance and loosing up in defence against faster sides, its something sometimes I get down and other times don't and I often go with caution opposed to anything else when playing offence because if the ball is lost it can sometimes be impossible for Khemri to recover. Regarding team build its interesting as that's how I used to run Khemri and even my OCC side used to maintain 3 Dirty players with 14-15 members to the squad at all times but I found it was not optimal and as a result switched to a much more TV efficient roster. The reason behind this is because Khemri are Handicapped by default and thus any additional weight in terms of Tv has to be carefully weighed against the return it brings, I was also finding fouling to be only really effective if done at the cost of positioning and when it comes to winning matches position is more important every time. Which is not to say I don't build Dirty Players because I do, just once I have one I then seek to have a couple of wrestle Skeletons who get dp as a second skill as they provide more utility when playing defence, on Offence however I stick to block skeletons as I need players on there feet. Break Tackle is a interesting issue because with it I can see easily how you need 4 rerolls plus leader but without it I find I normally don't go though rerolls on average fast enough to make it a requirement so its as much a question on whether I'm wanting to invest a 100K Tv plus the levels themselves in gaining that extra movement in midfield. This is something I'm going to have to test and play with I feel though one thing I will say is that on a developed squad Tomb Guardians development is Guard first then MB then options though I could select break Tackle as a third Skill in place of Stand Firm on a couple and see what happens though it means dropping grab which is immensely useful for khemri positioning. I agree I like Kick Skeletons also just not had a spare Skeleton to put it on yet as block/wrestle/guard provide so much more to the team in terms of stability so it would have to be on a second or later skill pick which is where the difficulty is. My UKBBL Khemri have Kick on a Skeleton however so its far from a choice that I'm against just not have the right development spot open up for it yet. Totally agree with you about the mindset expect Khemri to fail on all things and I think that's reflected across my play and tactics constantly as I keep half my team out of contact on offence and often play with both a screen and a double cage, I try to have the front of the cage or its screen wider to give me additional movement options while holding a throw ra as additional rear cover in case I lose the ball with the back of my cage often being doubled up where weakest to prevent opponents being able to attack the rear easily. Anyway Thank you for you time and effort and hopefully we can get a game in this week at some point and have a discussion over the match..
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Post by michaels on Jun 8, 2015 16:44:05 GMT
There's no correlation between break tackle & rr's. There is, however, correlation between khemri as a whole & rr's.
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