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Post by shaunuthun on Aug 26, 2015 1:46:10 GMT
Yall are making some real good points here its almost like you strategize or think long term or something like that. Na honestly though if you forfeit a match that's your business but if you stay in the game at least try in my opinon. I mean theres no shame in playing dead if there is only like 3 turns left or something that's fair enough but don't give up at turn 5 and just sit by and let your opponent score 5 TDs. And definatly none of this *Nudge Nudge Wink Wink* stuff If you want special rules we got special leagues for that (For the record I've been in similar situations with only 5 guys or less way before the end of the match against a near full team I know the frustration but just try to hang in there and hope your opponent isn't a collosal arse and it wont be as bad)
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Post by cerumol on Aug 30, 2015 14:58:00 GMT
I haven't been in position but believe it's auto score for opponent and turn counter moved on two turns (I think might be just one). Gives KOs chance to come back and then repeats till end of game.
Although in tt if you can field less than 3 only you can forfeit with no penalty
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Post by Squiggy on Aug 30, 2015 15:33:20 GMT
I haven't been in position but believe it's auto score for opponent and turn counter moved on two turns (I think might be just one). Gives KOs chance to come back and then repeats till end of game. Although in tt if you can field less than 3 only you can forfeit with no penalty TD given, turn counter moves on the minimum number of turns said team can score in (usually 2 but can be one or three for slow/fast teams), ko recovery roll made and re-kickoff. You can concede without penalty if you cannot field three players on the los too, same as table top.
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Post by Squiggy on Aug 30, 2015 15:34:18 GMT
I haven't been in position but believe it's auto score for opponent and turn counter moved on two turns (I think might be just one). Gives KOs chance to come back and then repeats till end of game. Although in tt if you can field less than 3 only you can forfeit with no penalty tt? Tabletop
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Post by cerumol on Aug 30, 2015 16:40:30 GMT
Yep tt=tabletop
That's a weird one re the rules though. For me, it feels here should be a consistent rule through all the races.
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Post by DocOz3000 on Oct 15, 2015 5:05:00 GMT
I can only LOL at some of these comments and suggest you play vs. an opp that just enjoys and build their team to destroy yours (Yes even in the IP we have a few)... I know I refuse to play some teams (Call it lying down if you like. But I have made it a point to not indulge coaches who's sole purpose is to ruin other coaches teams to the point that they can no longer be competitive.), I don't concede, but offer no resistance and don't get my players up after knock downs...
I ended my last game with a coach like this with 8 Injuries; 5 MNG (3 Perma Inj: -MV x2 & -AR after Apoth'n a -ST roll) He destroyed my team, and enjoyed it the whole time, with comments like "Wheeeee" and "Killing Orcs is my favorite" among other comments and gave my next opp a "free win" for the most part... I could have conceded, I didn't, but I could have just to save some pain I suppose and make sure I'd have a team for my next match...
My point is, some players just enjoy the destruction of the other teams, League or No League... They're not interested in you having fun as long as they're having fun... Strategically giving a future opp a "free win" doesn't matter to them... Sometimes you just have to make the decision and concede...
Oz
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Post by michaels on Oct 18, 2015 18:04:28 GMT
That was me. I'm a team destroyer...probably. To be fair: I make the same comments playing TT but there's enunciation. As text lacks that it can be read however the opponent wants. Something to keep in mind when thinking your opponent is being a dickbag. It's probably not intentional but without enunciation it can be hard to separate lighthearted jesting from previously mentioned dickbaggery. On the team-building thing: Doc, I'm showing you have 38% of your players with MB. I have 42% so "building to destroy other teams" is a bit of a moot point. You can say claw gives me more of an advantage in said destruction & on paper you may be right but in practice it doesn't always pan out that way. Jounisii has walked away with very few cas taken & a win (repeatedly...damn it!). So has your team last season in immortal. Point being it's not guaranteed that it will be useful. The % difference to break armor on av8 (assuming we both have MB) is 13 or so, roughly. I have a 13% better chance of breaking av8. Amazing....I guess. Side note: I did build a guy to carry the ball & am working on a second one so the teams not JUST designed to kill stuffs. On the matter of agreements & sportsmanship & what-not: I won't make agreements. I'll probably stop fouling if you get below 5 players but that's it. If you want to give up that's fine but I'll resume fouling if you make me wait 4 minutes to run the ball. This isn't Hug Bowl or Feelings Bowl & everyone knows what they're signing up for at the beginning of a season. If you see a big, scary chaos team & you're worried about your team getting destroyed then go sign up for some custom league that doesn't allow clawpomb or some other silly shit.
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Post by gone on Oct 18, 2015 21:24:45 GMT
It is clear to me that the only (well, most anyway) people posting don't care about circumstances and other people's enjoyment in league play.
When i made this, I was hoping to "convince" others to understand the frustration of mass destruction of an opponent's team. And was also hoping to "convince" the players of having good sportsmanship when they are clearly dominating a match to a degree of mass destruction.
I will not continue to defend myself of idiot commentary (am referring to bashing), will not continue this argument, and will remove all previous posts.
Btw, the league that the above example (now erased) pertained to were all good people. Injuries that happened in the second match were all in by the end of the second turn (of which that guy had good sportsmanship as he didn't gloat, rub it in, or anything of the sort). The league and it's bosses, after the 7th game or somewhere in there, allowed me to restart the team and did what they could to help me out.
I will remember the good people and the bad and will make it a priority when/if the same situation finds you to make the best decision that "fits" your "sportsmanship."
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Post by michaels on Oct 18, 2015 23:40:35 GMT
Back to the topic at hand: I'm fine with a forfeiting rule. I've had forfeits in BBNA before due to a lot of early cas & it was a good decision. The team went on to do great the rest of the season despite losing an mvp & gold. This is 3+ serious injuries & multiple badly hurts early in the game, though. Losing one star by turn 4 isn't the same & should be no reason to quit. If we're talking about instituting a formal rule for forfeiting then do that, leave your commentary about sportsmanship & other vague idealogies out of it. No one cares about your pixel justice.
Proposal 1: A verbal agreement (I know I said that I don't do agreements but this one has a caveat I can tolerate) that the opponent will lay down, stop taking blocks & hit End Turn IMMEDIATELY the rest of the match. In this case, the winning team has to ensure that they are ahead on the scoreboard before the game is out. This would also assume that the forfeiting team has taken a substantial amount of damage & has no hope of winning. If the winning team is ahead on the scoreboard they must hit End Turn as well the remainder of the match & not milk spp's. This rule would keep the MVP's & gold split for both teams & seems the closest to TT rules.
Proposal 2: Use the in-game forfeit method. The winner gets double gold & double MVP.
If people want to throw out numbers for what qualifies a just forfeit then that's open for discussion. IE: 6+ players removed in 1st half, not KO's. Etc.
Fatzomby, please edit your posts to remove "too many idiot comments that were considered bashing instead or along with an actual argument." or anything else referring to people as 'idiots' or I'll edit them for you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2015 0:10:52 GMT
Half the thread is down the memory hole, what happened here? Anyhoo, its nobody's responsibility to play the way others want them to. If you take issue with having your team chewed up and spit out your problem is with BB, not your opponent. I hope that comment is relevant to whatever the discussion was before it got censored.
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Post by michaels on Oct 19, 2015 0:21:08 GMT
No one was censored. FZ deleted his own posts for whatever reason.
Update: I removed all posts with negative commentary in the Edit Reason which, I believe, FZ could have just done himself if he wasn't so busy frothing at the mouth about how no one agrees to play how he wants them to. So thanks for that extra bit of fun. If anyone else has any valid points to make regarding a ruleset that would cover reasonable forfeits please post here so we can hash it out & bring it to vote. Actually, we may just bring it to vote to start off & see if there's any interest in having this at all. Either way; thoughts, commentary, civil discourse, etc., etc. Annnnnd GO!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2015 0:41:39 GMT
gotcha
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Post by Squiggy on Oct 19, 2015 1:00:24 GMT
To be honest I take exception to this, I only posted here in a rational, calm manner to debate the pros and cons of what started out as am excellent discussion thread, and to be told people commenting on it were "idiots" is frankly quite pathetic.
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Post by gone on Oct 19, 2015 23:56:36 GMT
This isn't Hug Bowl or Feelings Bowl & everyone knows what they're signing up for at the beginning of a season. If you see a big, scary chaos team & you're worried about your team getting destroyed then go sign up for some custom league that doesn't allow clawpomb or some other silly shit. Hence why I say idiot comment. Don't like it, don't do it! So do whatever you want. Can't stop ya as far as this forum goes. And I am sure am not going to apologize as I simply responded in kind. Telling someone tough *hit or something similar and mocking them isn't a discussion. Its goading. And you got the response you wanted I guess... Whats worse is that your an admin... Boot me, erase my profile, or whatever it is you wish to do. I don't care. I was just going to simply remove my posts at first, but then I seen you as an admin. And that throws all sorts of stuff in the air in regards to wether I should stay and just simply quit talking (which I know you would like), or leave the idiot commentary (like stuff similar to the quote above) behind and move on to leagues with better admins. But I decided that the other admins that I ran into here in Iron Pheonix are good people and couldn't let one bad apple influence my decision. However, i can't stop you from doing whatever you can do on the forums and/or whatever influence you may have to others either and/or the leagues/league I am currently participating in. Other things... 1) Not once did I say make it a rule. This isn't my league. I generally don't try to get people to hassle the admins to change a rule. I approach the admins in private and see what they think first. This is to ensure that I am not tromping on their toes, and if so, I would hope they say something. Hence, I said sportsmanship to ENCOURAGE players to show it when they are doing mass destruction instead of trying to override anything that is already set in place. And I will continue to say sportsmanship as that is what it is. 2) If the opponent suffers severe losses (not just badly hurts) in quantity (not just one), and lays down offering no resistance, the SPORTSMANSHIP part would be not to foul any longer. That is what I was saying in a nutshell. If all they got were badly hurts/ko's/stuns, then let them get frustrated. You aren't doing any real damage to them. They just having a bad Nurgling. Why you would foul anyway when they lay down baffles me, but that is up to the discretion of the opponent for risk vs no reward.... 3) I don't favor forfeits one damn bit! Outside of personal reasons, this really benefits the other team in league play in both money and spp's. Gaining 2 TD's on the last half of the pitch, one mvp, and any other accumulated spp's during playtime is quite a bit of spp's. 11 spp's given freely to the opponent along with an additional match worth of gold can really boost the tv of the opponent in the lower tv leagues. And forfeiting generally only favors the bashier type teams as they are generally the only ones forfeited too. And don't forget, I said generally (this doesn't mean 100% just in case you didn't know that). Anyway, I am done with this "forfeiting" discussion (and probably other discussions). I don't mind the disagreements, just dont care for the attitude (especially from an admin).
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Post by gone on Oct 20, 2015 0:03:48 GMT
Maybe its me. i will bow out. I was only referring to the idiot commentary that offered absolutely nothing but attitude and in no way offered anything to the debate.
I will remove my profile (if can be) from this site and remove myself from the leagues to save ya all trouble.
Good luck! And I apologize to those that had to deal with me!
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