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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 15:43:51 GMT
So i have often considered this a weakness of mine, Never having any real thoughts on how i set up and, especially on offense, I Believe i often loose games due to not setting up right on offense.
So lets have a discussing on this, Post your set ups and and thoughts.
here is my basic defensive set up. Vs Bash and dash.
xxxxxLLLxxxxxx xxBxxLxLxxBxxx xLxxxBxBxxxxLx
Hope that makes sense, The idea is that all tackle zones are covered no one can be surfed and the center is still pretty strong.
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Post by Ren Höek on Jan 7, 2015 13:26:55 GMT
I often feel the same... my mind goes blank when I am to set up. I think partly because I play very many different teams, and they all have their own special abilities. Hard to remember them all. I like to set up kindof like you showed above, but if the opponents don't have any players with frenzy I set up just on square in from the sideline.
I like to get one guy with either strip ball, tackle, diving tackle or such skills as a safety way back on my defense. Because sooner or later than long pass or run comes through.. and don't we all hate it when there is NO ONE back there to defend!?
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Post by Hudd on Jan 8, 2015 14:07:58 GMT
It looks a good setup against Bash. If you are seriously slower than your opponent, then you are too far up the field. Lizards and Elves will hit a corner guy and set up a cage in your half down a flank. I was reading this the other day about Lizardmen setups - plenty of food for thought for all races here: www.plasmoids.dk/bbowl/playbooks/Lizardmen.pdfDefensive setups on page 15
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Post by Kaiser on Jan 9, 2015 3:47:20 GMT
It looks a good setup against Bash. If you are seriously slower than your opponent, then you are too far up the field. Lizards and Elves will hit a corner guy and set up a cage in your half down a flank. I was reading this the other day about Lizardmen setups - plenty of food for thought for all races here: www.plasmoids.dk/bbowl/playbooks/Lizardmen.pdfDefensive setups on page 15 love the link mate i added it to tips for players and any others please add there, great reads thanks we need more of that and i love the Asymmetrical Set up on page 16 i have been doing a bit of that of late
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 7:42:03 GMT
It looks a good setup against Bash. If you are seriously slower than your opponent, then you are too far up the field. Lizards and Elves will hit a corner guy and set up a cage in your half down a flank. I was reading this the other day about Lizardmen setups - plenty of food for thought for all races here: www.plasmoids.dk/bbowl/playbooks/Lizardmen.pdfDefensive setups on page 15 love the link mate i added it to tips for players and any others please add there, great reads thanks we need more of that and i love the Asymmetrical Set up on page 16 i have been doing a bit of that of late If you look in deanos thread in the sticky here iron-phoenix.freeforums.net/thread/841/tactics-team-build-resources you see Plasmoids has a guild for every race, The chaos defensive setup is good
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Post by Nthomas on Apr 11, 2015 3:48:15 GMT
Recently, I found out that some coaches are using particular set ups for their teams. Whether on offense or defense. I also believe this is a area I could use some improvement on as well. (a little history: I played high school and college football) So to me blood bowl became my version of chess. I love it. Now for the bad part ... Yes, I admit it ... I have been using a 52 defense or a 5-2-4 alignment (for non-football people this means 5 down linemen, 2 blitzers, 2 corners, and 2 safetys) with the 2 inside blitzers it is a very strong set up against the inside run. Also, note that with my dwarf team I replace the nose guard with the Deathroller. Now, from this point I simply load both of my ends / troll slayers building them into rushers. Giving them skills like Break Tackle, Mighty Blow, Pilling On, Stripe Ball, and Tackle. (and with any double I pick Jump Up) the Ultimate outside rusher. On my Skaven team I have been using a 3-4-4 alignment again the Rat Ogre holds down the center while I attempt to move you to the sideline to surf you. On my Chaos, and Undead teams I have been using a standard 4-3-4 set up. Alright, so now everyone in the league knows my weakness. Lol
Alright, so have do I fix my defensive set-ups, and how do I develop good Offensive alignments for each of these teams?
P.S. I also have been working on a Norse team as well.
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Post by Hudd on Apr 11, 2015 6:47:09 GMT
I think the biggest consideration is who you are up against. Then what the game situation is. What you describe sounds like it will be good against many teams. I almost never start with more than 3 players on the LoS though. Putting 5 on is giving 2 free blocks to your opponents - unless you have massively more Guard than he does anyway, or perhaps if you are playing against wood elves... I would get a 2D block on the end lineman and either knock him over or push him away, rolling the whole line back. Dwarfs can get away with this, as they can take some punishment - Norse most certainly can not! Against Wood Elves you sound a bit narrow, having at most 1 guy wide? Here I would set up asymmetrically, blitz your corner on my strong side and move the whole team this way for a virtually uncontested TD.
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Post by Nthomas on Apr 11, 2015 11:29:52 GMT
Believe it or not that is my basic idea against elves or any fast teams... I normally use the inside Blitzer on that side for the blitz. The Backside Corner moves up to base the opposite side. While both the corner and safety on the strong side cover. While back side Blitzer and Safety side over to at least mid field. I know I cann't catch them the idea is to close and make the opening as small as possible. "That in it self is the while idea. If you take the bait. You get surfed." (always, giving both Blitzers Frenzy) which gives my dwarf teams 4 each blocks.
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Post by Squiggy on Apr 11, 2015 11:39:43 GMT
I think the best advice I can give is that there is no greater tutor than experience. Not just playing as many games as possible, but playing as many coaches as possible. Watch and learn how people play, how they counter your play, and maybe get ideas for your own teams.
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Post by Ren Höek on Apr 13, 2015 11:20:25 GMT
Recently I have started experimenting with unbalanced defense set-ups. It works pretty ok. I still lose alot of course, but I now have the feeling that I can 'steer' my opponents offense a bit more. Usually it breaks apart when one or more of my 'strong-side' defenders get's K.O:d or killed.. then my opponents can rape me in any position he pleases as always. But until then, I feel I have a chance to know where he will try to take the ball.
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Post by Squiggy on Apr 13, 2015 11:28:20 GMT
Recently I have started experimenting with unbalanced defense set-ups. It works pretty ok. I still lose alot of course, but I now have the feeling that I can 'steer' my opponents offense a bit more. Usually it breaks apart when one or more of my 'strong-side' defenders get's K.O:d or killed.. then my opponents can rape me in any position he pleases as always. But until then, I feel I have a chance to know where he will try to take the ball. I've had a lot more success recently playing more defensively. As my opponents know I have often been found out on the defensive side thanks to my habit of pushing too high too early. Recently I have also been practicing asymmetric defences, but I've also found starting a couple steps further back, and not pushing so hard early, has reaped rewards. Granted further testing is required, I could have just had half a dozen lucky games...but thus far it's worked for me. I have to say playing in cripple has massively increased my tactical play and in my opinion my skill as a coach. I've always had an excellent grasp of the rules, theory and mathematics of the game, but playing in cc has hugely curbed my impulsive play, made me think more before committing, and taught me the importance of keeping safeties. Definitely my favourite tournament, and definitely taught me more in fifteen games than a hundred in public leagues.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 12:10:51 GMT
That is great to hear Squiggy, when you first joined us I used to tell you that you was to aggressive and to risky with your plays. I have noticed that you have improved dramatically. Been keeping a eye on your results and your replays.
You are to be admired, you had a brutal first season but you got your head down stuck it out and improved your game. You are a example to all new coaches.
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Post by Squiggy on Apr 13, 2015 12:22:26 GMT
That is great to hear Squiggy, when you first joined us I used to tell you that you was to aggressive and to risky with your plays. I have noticed that you have improved dramatically. Been keeping a eye on your results and your replays. You are to be admired, you had a brutal first season but you got your head down stuck it out and improved your game. You are a example to all new coaches. Wasn't hard to improve on that first season! But thank you, I have put some effort into learning and improving and am slowly seeing results show that. Still making too many mistakes, and forgetting that if something can go wrong it will...inverse statistical percentage analysis seems to be prevelant in my games...but the thing is, experience is the best teacher, and when you're enjoying yourself as much as I do in IP, it's no hardship to spend time doing so.
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Post by rupertpupkin on Apr 13, 2015 20:21:19 GMT
That is great to hear Squiggy, when you first joined us I used to tell you that you was to aggressive and to risky with your plays. I have noticed that you have improved dramatically. Been keeping a eye on your results and your replays. You are to be admired, you had a brutal first season but you got your head down stuck it out and improved your game. You are a example to all new coaches. What just occurred to me about this game and the low-percentage/high-fun plays is that this game was made in the 80's/early 90's when the NFL was full of winning teams that all played grinding, ball control strategies. I'm thinking the Giants teams that won, but there wasn't a lot of chuck the ball down field and hope stuff going on. The NFL now is basically full of high elves who don't have to worry about getting nudged by defenders because penalties are called for the most incidental contact. If you're coming to BB now in the age of 400+ yards a game passing it takes a little while to adapt to the more conservative approach.
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Post by goodpass on Apr 17, 2015 7:20:35 GMT
As a basic defence I use Weak Side one of the default defences. And then shift some according to the opponent I face. If the opponent has no frenzy the wings can be stacked instead, a stack is two players vertical positioned behind each other. This makes you can hide your weak/dodgy/skilled player behind a teammate that is more expendable. Of course their inside flank must be covered by another teammate. The diagonal positioning is meant to withsatnd a simple surf opportunity as the angle of the blitz to make that work is blocked by the most forward teammate. The depth of the defence ( 2 free squares from the midline ) makes that even if those attackers step one square forward they get no free blocks. About the scrimline, the three main S defences come in mind. Screen LxxLxxL, Supporting xLxLxLx and Shouldered xxLLLxx By shifting the players you can combine these defences and figure out a fancy name yourself. A Screen is best used against teams that need an assist to make 2 die blocks, that way they need 6 guys at the scrimline against your 3. A Supporting line tries to prevent a breaktrough because of the nature of it's set up, by going down on the spot the line is still partly intact as the gap that would have been made is now taken by your grounded player. A Shouldered defence tries to minimise the number of enemies that can contact such a tiny and compact target. The centre player having guard helps.
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