Rules - Fouling and movement.

I don't think you can, you can't in the cyanide version definitely.

Alright, guys I got another question for you all ...

Today, I was playing a game with a league mate/member. When I heard something that made me not hop, but jump on my white horse. Now before I get into exactly what was told to me. I feel the need to point out more than just a few facts. First off I would like to point out that I have completed a full cup/season of the Reaper's Cup. A total of 7 cup/league/tournament games. I would also like to point out just how many league members I have played against in these last few months. I can not begin to name each and every member. Although, I would not doubt I have played the majority of the leagues members at some point in time. My list of league members is loooonnnnnnnnnnnng. I mean a who's who of Iron Phoenix Members. I almost daily play from 2-3 games all in league. I am even being Coached on the finer points of the game to help bring me up to speed with others. I even have learned to use BBManager, so as to be able to watch other games of league members and yet the very thing I would like to talk to you about I have never seen in a league game. Now, the key point to my statement is just that in a league game. Have I ever seen these tactics used on-line before? Yes, I have in Auld World on killer/murder teams as they were destroying my first attempts at playing on-line with people I did not know.

So, I ask you do we foul each other in-game?

I would like to answer this question from my own point of view. The eyes of a Junior Member, and from a person whom is just now learning to play in a on-line league with people whom he would loosely call friends.

Yes, I understand Dirty Player is apart of Blood Bowl and yes it has a place in the game. My understanding is it is used to remove troublesome players from the pitch. Ideally, to give one coach a advantage in the game. This type of play does not reward star player points. An possibly even frowned on by others. Have I ever seen a member of Iron Phoenix foul? No... Have I ever heard of a member fouling another member? No... Was I ever fouled in my first full season of the Reaper's Cup? No... Have I ever seen a foul committed on a recorded game of league members game play? No... Very simply put... I was under the impression that that type of thing just was not how members played. Kinda like a unwritten rule. Like when you join a club and the club leader looks at you and says, something like now don't be a dick. Well, have you ever wondered what does it mean to be a dick? What does it Intel, and what does it not?

and Yes, because I have never seen this type of thing in league play... I am a person whom would say I do not believe the majority of members foul each other. As I feel like I have played almost everyone and I have never ever even thought about doing it to another league member.

I just wanna here your thoughts...

and What was I told today? I was told I should play a little more bashy and I should buy Dirty Player to use on others.

no rule saying you cant foul and yes i will foul with some of my teams. not all though, in league and cup games

I dont tend to foul in open games as the win is not as big a deal for me (i dont want to hurt your team your building and slow you down)
my reason for this is selfish (i want your team strong so when it is in a league game you will i hope hurt the team i am to play next)

it is also why in league games though i want your players off the field i dont want them hurt, its so you can go and hurt the next team and not give them an easy win

I have even been known to (when i know game is won) not block the other team any more so they can take out the team i will have to play later in the finals... I like to look at the bigger picture
i have see first hand my team be destroyed and next game give the guy easy win that then helped him win final against the guy that hurt me. I love that feeling of revenge and lack of vision of the guy that hurt me only to cost him the final

Ooh, fun topic.

For me it depends entirely on the situation/opponent.

When I absolutely WILL foul:

1) Killer players (any combo of claw/MB/PO) get a boot anytime it makes sense, because I don't want them killing my guys. If it's late in the match and the killer is leaving me alone, I'll return the favor for the reason Jester cited above.
2) If I'm getting fouled, I will certainly respond in kind , but usually not unless it makes some tactical sense.
3) If my opponent is stalling and I have the opportunity, I will sometimes foul to "encourage" them to score so I can get the ball back.
4) If I'm playing gobbos/flings, or any other team that needs a numbers advantage to win.
5) If I got a ton of inducements and bought a bribe. In this case, fouling becomes a matter of leveling the playing field.
6) If my opponent is a being a jerk in chat. I know, it's petty, but it's also true.

When I won't foul:

1) In most open matches, especially if it's declared a "friendly" beforehand. I always assume Phoenix Open matches are friendlies, unless proven otherwise.
2) If I'm winning handily and the other coach isn't fouling me or piling on.
3) If I'm playing a relatively new coach, unless the other coach fouls/piles on.
4) Turn 16, just because I can (unless it's a killer and there's a chance I'll be seeing him again very soon in the playoffs).

Wow, reading this it probably sounds like I foul a lot more than I actually do.

In the end, I consider fouling a legitimate tactic. I used to think fouling was terrible... but then I saw how most of the best coaches use it, and realized in the higher TV leagues having a couple dirty players is really a good idea.

I look at it this way: DP is like leap - you don't always have to use it for it be effective. The threat a dirty player represents can sometimes act as a deterrent.

Hi there Nthomas

No need to take a foul personally

I've received fouls, here and in all leagues I play in
I do it pretty frequently myself
I don't see any reason to frown on it

Removing players from the pitch to win games doesn't make you a dick any more than doing the same for SPP. When you receive a punishing kick to the spleen in a future league match (and you will), just know that it was done because the other guy wants to win, not to cause you anguish.

You may have gotten the wrong impression in the Open because the stakes are low, and fouling the regenerating gitz in Reaper Cup doesn't make a ton of sense. 

Brace yourself, it will only get dirtier from here 

You have to be sure that the risk is worth it. I usually get sent off when I do it so if I am going to do it I pick my target.
Before any match I make a note of all the niggled players on the opposition side.
I will target them with my mighty blow players and if they go down then I will try and gang foul them for good measure.

It can be very tempting to move alot of players over to assist with the foul but be wary of leaving a massive gap for the opposition to exploit.
Always consider if it is worth fouling, is the target worth dispatching at the risk of losing one of your own? Never foul with one of your better players always with one of your lower value players, compare the target's tv vs the fouler's tv.

I am not very good at fouling, I usually get sent off without even breaking their armour. I can see the merits when it is done well, with enough bribes it can be a good way to remove key players.

Yes we do foul, read the last match report of Immortal. It's a nice way to get a numerical advantage. Most refs are ignoring fouls or can be bribed.
I'm fouled often, it's a thing that you have to be prepared for. Don't start fouling back out of emotion. Make sure fouling has a goal and come prepared, dirty player and sneaky git make a great combo, or a bench full of replacements. The turn 16 foul is the most safe one as the sending off does not hurt you at all, the match is already over. There are however coaches that do not like their team build over many matches being destroyed for fun. You do not even earn spp's for it, you #######. It's a great way to learn new insults. Some become your nemesis and others stay friendly.