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Post by michaels on Sept 13, 2015 0:08:02 GMT
Slann are the frog race in CRP rules. They're not in bb1.
Did you guys see the stadium upgrades? Those are nuts.
Also, orc blitzers seem to be 90k now & all cash past 150k counts towards your TV so...upgrade those stadiums, yo!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 1:04:53 GMT
Alright then. Its not in my dorfy nature to let things slide, so I will further pollute this BB2 thread with more about dorfs and how they are definitly not OP. Boring? sure why not? But not overpowered. It has come to my attention that I may have slightly pissed off FZ. Not my intent, I just think he's wrong so anyhow, Fatzomby your words in blue 2 players, and you said yourself in the original post, "4 players that have movement 6 which heavily makes up for lack of maneuverability." Now its not really a concern though...
If you had played dorfs you would know this, as well as how frequently it bites you in the ass Of course dorfs are better at bashing, they can't do anything else! If orcs were better at bashing, the dorfs would have no niche and be roundly inferior.
You're very fixated on the short term development too. black orcs are worse at punching now, but in 20 games or so they will embarrass the beardies. it is absolutely not commonplace (unless you're stunties). I have been playing dorfs online and TT for years and depitching players at that rate doesn't happen without Nuffle's direct intervention.
Again this is the exact same tactic that orc or chaos coach uses, they just happen to be worse at it at first. Probably because they have other options
Once again, dorfs are the best bashers at low TV because they have no recourse. If you want a team that can outbash and ourun and outpass them, keep dreaming. Your inability to dominate on all fronts does not make the opposition OP. You went right for the Khemri aside. Thats okay its probably my fault . You cant outbash the team that can do nothing but bash. Also, do you think being one dimensional is a strength or not? I sound like a broken record at this point, but yeah, dorfs are better (marginally) at bashing than orcs at low TV. Orcs are better at everything else.
You ignored every sentence after the first two. Notice how teams are better at different things? That's balance.
Have you never played an orc team that got far enough to get some block skill? Teams peak at different times, but I don't hear people whinging about how OP chaos is at high tv. take the team into account as a whole and not just in one TV window Sigh... when the orcs get skills the dwarves lose their edge. The dwarf will reach a point of diminishing returns after picking up guard and some MB. when the orcs get to the sweet spot of about 1600ish TV they're superior strength and more ample guard skill take over.
You said yourself you haven't really played dwarves, and all your complaints concerning them are directed at low TV dwarves, so please don't cite experience.
I've been playing them for quite a while and like all the teams that draw their advantage from skill and not stats, they have a serious glass ceiling. Not the running game. I was unclear there sorry. You will not outbash a team that is one dimensional bashy. you don't have to pass, but they have such poor maneuverability it isn't hard to go around or tie them up in key spots. And I mean, c'mon, an orc line isn't hard to punch a hole through? Wait, What!? If you get offended if someone calls a team you like OP, you need to sit back and examine the irony of this situation.
I wasn't trying to offend you, but there's a reason orcs are the go to team for beginners. They're incredibly forgiving of mistakes, easy to manage, ruthlessly TV efficient, and consistently perform well in leagues perpetual and otherwise. There's a post in the general board that ranks the races by performance using BBM, I encourage you to find it. No its not. Common to you and Ren maybe, but most of the whinging is about how dwarves are boring. This sillyness about them being OP is not widespread because the logic is so thin. That describes orcs too. Orcs, thats orcs. Really its bash in general, but yeah, orcs... Orcs, this all pertains to orcs as well. There are still quite a few walls of text to sift through so I may be back
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Post by shaunuthun on Sept 13, 2015 1:21:53 GMT
So the BB2 beta has really opened my eyes to just how good Skaven are compared to Orcs and Dorfs when you just accept that you aint gonna beat their entire team into the ground. Instead going for hit and run tactics, using the Rogre to exploit weaker players, chain pushing and most importantly keeping a distance. Now I stand by that Skaven have it harder than either team due to inevitably losing more players over their career (not just one match). Im saying this cause im watching yall discuss this and I just wanna put it out there that I'm done calling your teams op. I can say I don't like their playstyle (or in Nurgles case their effectiveness at shutting down my own). But I have a newfound respect for Orc and Dorf coaches as I realise that it aint just a walk in the park for you guys. So in conclusion I think that both teams have their strengths and weaknesses just as all the teams (Bar the more gimmicky ones such as flings or Khemri) that make for a well balanced game.
Skaven Rule!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 1:23:14 GMT
Dodge doesn't set long term effects against another team. that was the comparison. neither does agility 4. And usually agility 4 has low armor and don't last long on the pitch. Which would be fine if outside the match sequence didn't require you to replace those players as often. I am focusing on the "outside the match" factors. Not so much in-match. There is no reason why any team should have such an advantage and still have all the assets of other teams. For example, dwarves should not be able to have an apothecary or wizard for their team, but rather a metal smith that would increase game earnings by 10k for each kill.... This would give them a taste of their own medicine on occasion. They also could have done other things I think to make them a tad more diverse in positions rather than what they currently have. For example, the runners should have a strength 2 along with their increased agility, but perhaps dodge or something nimble as an added skill. Blitzers should be the only ones that have normal strength and agility. Anyway, something should have been done and increasing another team's blitzer prices and not even look at dwarves is a bit ludicrous if you ask me. If they did do something to the Dwarf's cost or whatever, I may have more open to the idea of screwing with the Orcs. But, as it stands now, I have every right to be upset over this stupid maneuver of theirs. I am currently hoping that they didn't screw with the wood-elf dancers as that is the team I chose when I pre-ordered.... If they did, I want to see something done so I have someone with block on the damn race! And I liked what they did with human catchers with increasing their armor value. But, honestly, I do think they could have done something else to make the humans more "versatile" in game play. I don't like the fact that the "options" are limited at the moment. I like to have the choice of whether I utilize the pass skill or not for example. I thought it was also rumored that there would be more of an even-ing out amongst the teams during game-play. I forgot what they call it, but its the in-game thing that boosts whatever to attempt to keep the game closer.... I haven't seen that yet either, so I don't think they added that or even if they thought about it. Anyway, thanks to many of you for being good peeps and not making attacks in regards to my frustration! Arg. Dwarves are OP because they are rarely short on cash? Is this the only team you can imagine this holds true for? The AV9 teams don't have problems (usually) with cash long term, that's the way its is. If you want to play a game where the worst injury a player can receive is a badly hurt then you're in the wrong place. Bash teams kill people and break stuff, its not just the dwarves that are doing it. I'm not trying to attack you bud. I just think you're wrong. If you want to rant without being challenged do it in your "View of Teams" thread. I won't try and stop you. So sorry if I offended you, but you're off base.
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Post by gone on Sept 13, 2015 2:55:47 GMT
challenged is one thing. mocking is another...
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Post by hirumazeo on Sept 23, 2015 11:22:50 GMT
8 races? Dlc for teams? No is my way.
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Post by gorgrael on Oct 27, 2015 19:35:25 GMT
So to all the coaches who have bought this game, do I need this game in my life? Or having got the game is it not a bit boring with only a handful of teams to pick from?
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Post by apolloswill on Oct 28, 2015 0:40:10 GMT
So to all the coaches who have bought this game, do I need this game in my life? Or having got the game is it not a bit boring with only a handful of teams to pick from? I will tell you this; my life haven't gotten more excited ABBII (after Blood Bowl 2). I actually think I had more fun, when everyone was just playing in BB1, instead of now, there are so many leagues, it is hard to get attached following any of them. But the reality is that BB2 is in our lives, and eventually will replace BB1 (I really don't think it can be stopped), so if you want to start advancing a team in Iron Phoenix (or another leagues that have a long longevity), you could join now. As I got BB2, selfish as I am, I can't wait to all have jumped to the new boat. But no, you don't need it in your life, and if I had known, I would probably have waited.
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Post by Hudd on Oct 30, 2015 15:35:44 GMT
Agreed with Apollo. I have BB2 but am only playing BB1 at the moment. Not quite as shiny, but it is better in almost every respect. One day I will have to change... Overall, I wish they had not bothered, as it has split the player base...
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Post by wenteros on Oct 30, 2015 20:46:04 GMT
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Post by parrigan on Nov 3, 2015 18:45:11 GMT
Agreed with Apollo. I have BB2 but am only playing BB1 at the moment. Not quite as shiny, but it is better in almost every respect. One day I will have to change... Overall, I wish they had not bothered, as it has split the player base... +1 I'm in one bb2 league, but that's probably it until I'm forced or enticed to move from bb1. I've expounded on my views of bb2 elsewhere, no need to rehash. But this sums it up nicely.
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Post by Hudd on Nov 3, 2015 18:46:35 GMT
lol - I saw this, I keep following the BB2 forums. You know all those bugs that there were? Actually, they are all new design features!
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Post by Squiggy on Nov 3, 2015 18:56:06 GMT
lol - I saw this, I keep following the BB2 forums. You know all those bugs that there were? Actually, they are all new design features! I wish I'd been wrong..I really do...but this is practically dead on what I predicted from "blood bowl" 2...ie Not the game we fell in love with.
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Post by caven08 on Dec 12, 2015 2:36:09 GMT
Hello everyone! It's been awhile since I've been on. I retired from blood bowl a few months back, but I am curious what everyone thinks of BB2? Pros and cons? Better or worse than BBLE? I hope everyone is doing well, and that IP is going strong!
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Post by Kaiser on Dec 12, 2015 13:28:38 GMT
Hello everyone! It's been awhile since I've been on. I retired from blood bowl a few months back, but I am curious what everyone thinks of BB2? Pros and cons? Better or worse than BBLE? I hope everyone is doing well, and that IP is going strong! about BB2 well you will hear different views on the matter, I for one now love it more than BB1. For me the players that hate it I see them like the vampires in the Anne Rice books they are Lestat and cant or dont adapt well to change, they will like old star wars fans swear that ep 4 a new hope is awesome even though there is just so much wrong with it, they will ignore what is wrong with BB1 simply because they got used to it and all the bugs, just like luke skywalker who is a whinie brat but these same fans dont see it and just point out Anikin is... (i hate em both) youtu.be/bsb9ZTmbSKQ must see @ 1:21 luke and dad LOL
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